Hell or Highwater (formerly The Black Cloud Collective), is the side-project that Brandon Saller (drummer and vocalist for Atreyu) started soon after the band went on hiatus. Stepping out from behind the drums and stepping into to a front man with a guitar, we see an explosive change in form for him. Originally, the project that Mr. Saller had created was known as The Black Cloud Collective. The Black Cloud Collective released one single, "Hail Mary!" It was released to music retailers December 14th, 2010. The track was met with moderate support.

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